Comments on: Coherence and Dispersion in Teams http://derekwwade.net/blog/2010/03/08/coherence-and-dispersion-in-teams/ the way which can be named is not the true way Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:54:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: CAS Simulation as a Java Applet | Scrum WithStyle http://derekwwade.net/blog/2010/03/08/coherence-and-dispersion-in-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-27862 CAS Simulation as a Java Applet | Scrum WithStyle Sat, 26 Jun 2010 04:47:12 +0000 http://derekwwade.net/blog/?p=86#comment-27862 [...] Derek Wade notes in his blog post on this, we shouldn’t take this exercises to mean that you can simply dish out rules and expect [...] [...] Derek Wade notes in his blog post on this, we shouldn’t take this exercises to mean that you can simply dish out rules and expect [...]

]]> By: Derek http://derekwwade.net/blog/2010/03/08/coherence-and-dispersion-in-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-27666 Derek Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:12:52 +0000 http://derekwwade.net/blog/?p=86#comment-27666 Hi Tobias! At SGUS, a friend apologized to me for so often "correcting the words I use when I say something," to which I replied that I actually appreciate it when he does that. I think with such a high degree of association that when I try to express a concept in my head, it almost always comes out imprecise, and thus requires interaction with another person in order to get the concept refined to its essence. So, thank you, Tobias, for appropriately refining my post. :) Yes, implosion is EXACTLY what is happening here! And I think it looked good to me initially because I tend to be strongly biased against fragmentation. But it makes sense that EITHER focus (on defending against others, or protecting others) is a focus on OTHERS, and not on the self, and thus leads to an unbalanced system. Hi Tobias!

At SGUS, a friend apologized to me for so often “correcting the words I use when I say something,” to which I replied that I actually appreciate it when he does that. I think with such a high degree of association that when I try to express a concept in my head, it almost always comes out imprecise, and thus requires interaction with another person in order to get the concept refined to its essence.

So, thank you, Tobias, for appropriately refining my post. :)

Yes, implosion is EXACTLY what is happening here! And I think it looked good to me initially because I tend to be strongly biased against fragmentation. But it makes sense that EITHER focus (on defending against others, or protecting others) is a focus on OTHERS, and not on the self, and thus leads to an unbalanced system.

]]> By: Tobias Mayer http://derekwwade.net/blog/2010/03/08/coherence-and-dispersion-in-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-27664 Tobias Mayer Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:08:37 +0000 http://derekwwade.net/blog/?p=86#comment-27664 I don't agree that the second part of this exercise is towards cohesion. It /appears/ to be that way but what is actually happening is an implosion, and a situation is created where no one can actually move anymore. It is stifling. When I observe this it reminds me of teams where the ScrumMaster is so zealous about "protecting the team" that s/he doesn't allow the the team any space to grow. Teams that spend too much time protecting each other tend to isolate those outside the team. We have all seen this: "we do Scrum now so we don't write documents", or "we do Scrum now so you (manager) can't tell us what to do". Such behaviour is exclusive and doesn't go towards building a collaborative environment. The first part of this exercise is about running and hiding. Not taking any responsibility. The second part of this exercise is about taking too much responsibility -- for /other people/. Neither demonstrates the value of taking responsibility for ones own actions and trusting others to do the same. Cool that you all captured this on video though :-) I don’t agree that the second part of this exercise is towards cohesion. It /appears/ to be that way but what is actually happening is an implosion, and a situation is created where no one can actually move anymore. It is stifling. When I observe this it reminds me of teams where the ScrumMaster is so zealous about “protecting the team” that s/he doesn’t allow the the team any space to grow. Teams that spend too much time protecting each other tend to isolate those outside the team. We have all seen this: “we do Scrum now so we don’t write documents”, or “we do Scrum now so you (manager) can’t tell us what to do”. Such behaviour is exclusive and doesn’t go towards building a collaborative environment.

The first part of this exercise is about running and hiding. Not taking any responsibility. The second part of this exercise is about taking too much responsibility — for /other people/. Neither demonstrates the value of taking responsibility for ones own actions and trusting others to do the same.

Cool that you all captured this on video though :-)

]]> By: If You Had Been Me at ScrumGathering 2010 | Derek W. Wade http://derekwwade.net/blog/2010/03/08/coherence-and-dispersion-in-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-27658 If You Had Been Me at ScrumGathering 2010 | Derek W. Wade Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:59:22 +0000 http://derekwwade.net/blog/?p=86#comment-27658 [...] friend, worst enemy” game, and how working to protect yourself results in team fragmentation (posted previously) – [...] [...] friend, worst enemy” game, and how working to protect yourself results in team fragmentation (posted previously) – [...]

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